A rebuttal...
Jul. 24th, 2014 11:45 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
fiberaddictthat will mean NOTHING to most of you. But I have to get it out...
In a post, you said " In other words, His blood was shed in place of the OT covenant of shedding blood to cut oneself off from sin (aka circumcision). In other words, Abraham was circumcised by his own shedding of blood, and we’re circumcised from sin by Messiah’s blood."
No. No no no no no no NO. Circumcision has NOTHING to do with sin, or the cutting off from. Circumcision is the outward sign of the covenant with Yah. IF it had to do with sin, then a) the Jews wouldn't NEED a Messiah, would they?; b) only men would be covered, so women would be out of luck; and c) why would the Temple run sacrifices all Bloody Day Long? (the pun was TOTALLY not intended, honest!) Also, if His Blood cuts us off from sin, why do we mere humans who believe in Him STILL sin? Even when we try our darndest not to?
Sin is disobedience to God, yes? Sin HAS to be covered BY BLOOD (hence the animal sacrifices) if you (the sinner) wants to be near to God. His Holiness won't allow it any other way. Yeshua's sacrifice REPLACED the animal sacrifices; His Blood washes sin away while animal blood simply covered it.
This is wrong thinking. Circumcision is about obedience, yes - NOT sin. IF it were about sin, then why did Paul say that new believers did NOT need to be circumcised (and yet he himself was)? Yeshua's sacrifice had *nothing* to do with marking one's flesh as a sign of accepting the covenant - it had everything to do with defeating sin and death.
:grumble: Back to your regularly scheduled day now.....
In a post, you said " In other words, His blood was shed in place of the OT covenant of shedding blood to cut oneself off from sin (aka circumcision). In other words, Abraham was circumcised by his own shedding of blood, and we’re circumcised from sin by Messiah’s blood."
No. No no no no no no NO. Circumcision has NOTHING to do with sin, or the cutting off from. Circumcision is the outward sign of the covenant with Yah. IF it had to do with sin, then a) the Jews wouldn't NEED a Messiah, would they?; b) only men would be covered, so women would be out of luck; and c) why would the Temple run sacrifices all Bloody Day Long? (the pun was TOTALLY not intended, honest!) Also, if His Blood cuts us off from sin, why do we mere humans who believe in Him STILL sin? Even when we try our darndest not to?
Sin is disobedience to God, yes? Sin HAS to be covered BY BLOOD (hence the animal sacrifices) if you (the sinner) wants to be near to God. His Holiness won't allow it any other way. Yeshua's sacrifice REPLACED the animal sacrifices; His Blood washes sin away while animal blood simply covered it.
This is wrong thinking. Circumcision is about obedience, yes - NOT sin. IF it were about sin, then why did Paul say that new believers did NOT need to be circumcised (and yet he himself was)? Yeshua's sacrifice had *nothing* to do with marking one's flesh as a sign of accepting the covenant - it had everything to do with defeating sin and death.
:grumble: Back to your regularly scheduled day now.....
More Questions You Don't Have To Answer
Date: 2014-07-24 06:17 pm (UTC)Re: More Questions You Don't Have To Answer
Date: 2014-07-24 07:03 pm (UTC)We follow Torah, eat Biblical kosher, and wait for Messiah's return. If that helps.
~ali
Date: 2014-07-24 07:10 pm (UTC)Visit my porch - ya? working through some stuff.
Re: More Questions You Don't Have To Answer
Date: 2014-07-24 07:35 pm (UTC)What made you decide that Messianic was a good fit for you?
Re: More Questions You Don't Have To Answer
Date: 2014-07-24 11:23 pm (UTC)If you believe in the bible you can't help but notice all the places where things don't fit quite right. Why do people worship on Sunday when everyone knows Saturday is the Sabbath?
Why do people celebrate Christmas when it isn't even in the bible? Why do people say they follow the example that Jesus/Yeshua gave to his followers but they don't celebrate any of the holidays that are in the bible? If you believe in a higher power, and you believe that higher power created life as we know it - the next question anyone would have to ask is: why? Messianic or Torah Observant (and even for me those are tough boxes to fit into)Believe you can't win any favors from Yahweh through good behaviour, but practice obedience to the best of our ability because we want to.
Is that about right? ~a
Re: More Answers You can feel free to question
Date: 2014-07-24 11:33 pm (UTC)Re: More Answers You can feel free to question
Date: 2014-07-24 11:56 pm (UTC)Re: More Answers You can feel free to question
Date: 2014-07-25 04:08 am (UTC)xD I don't really have anything worth saying. There's no point in having a blog if I won't do anything with it. I made an account so that way I could comment and people would know who I was.
Re: More Answers You can feel free to question
Date: 2014-07-25 04:16 am (UTC)Re: More Questions You Don't Have To Answer
Date: 2014-07-25 04:07 am (UTC)Re: More Answers You Can Question
Date: 2014-07-25 01:00 pm (UTC)I thought I had one explaining how I got here...but maybe no.
http://geemaali.wordpress.com/who-am-i/may-21-2012-sonrise-service-rant/
PS Our views grow as we grow - what I think today or two years ago might change overnight :)
Re: More Answers You Can Question
Date: 2014-07-25 10:42 pm (UTC)I know that views change. It's one of my favorite parts of interacting with people. Finding a flash of a moment where something is said that makes someone (them or me or even someone else) see something in a new light is really exciting. People changing over time is beautiful.